Tuesday, March 08, 2005

Confronting the Iconoclasts

Salaam alaikum,

While we at Living Tradition are looking into new ways of community improvement based on the Qur'an and Sunnah, we have not forgotten why this blog was created. We still intend to confront those who claim that in order to be "progressive" we must either abandon, interpret, remake, reform or simply throw out anything in Islam that doesn't suit modern Western dictates. We will continue to expose these iconolasts for all the misconceptions and deviances that they have promoted in the umma. We have and will continue to show their hypocrisy and double standards when it comes to their agenda. When you think they couldn't spin more lies or slander more Muslims who don't agree with their views, they come with some other immature story or go around stink palming Islamic scholars instead of confronting with them maturity, tolerance and adab. Please remain on the look out for entries. They have given us enough to go on with the latest hijinks over at MWU.com


Blogger DrMaxtor said...

Well said, mashallah.

2:44 PM  
Blogger Mohammed Faisal Aslam said...


First of all, let me make it clear that I do not adhere to any particular sect or school of thought.

I understand why you are upset over the Muslimwakeup website. I don't like it either, but that does not mean that they don't have any valid points.

Don't you think that some of the rulings in the traditional school of thoughts are outdated? For example, the other day I was reading Shibli Numani biography of Imam Hanifah. It claims that according to Imam Hanifah, every non-Muslim is supposed to wear a thread that shows that he is a non-Muslim. This kind of brings one's thoughts to Nazi-Germany, doesn't it?

Furthermore, the author also says that according to Imam Shafi, non-Muslims, who are not Christians or Jews, cannot live in land that is controlled by Muslims.

5:23 PM  
Blogger DrMaxtor said...

Asalamu Aliakum,
I really dont think mwu has anything of value to add to the discourse. These people are extremists, pure and simple.

I think you should double check yor sources on the schools of thought. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are far fetched and a bit reactionary dont you think ?

11:14 PM  
Blogger izzymo said...

Salaam alaikum,
Unfortunately Brother, because I am not familiar with the works of Shibli Numani, I can't comment one way or another. I am not sure how this would mesh with the fact that Jews and Christians live and have lived in Muslim lands for hundreds of years.

I know that in some parts of Islamic Spanish history, each religious group wore a particular color, Muslims included. I even read a book by a non-Muslim scholar stating that the different colors were not a precursor to the yellow star of David. Different colors, whether we agree or disagree on its validity, is much different than the genocide ethic of the Nazis.

The only credit that I can give MWU.com is that they "appear" to address the problems in the umma. They "appear" to be doing something revolutionary. Because mainstream Muslims have not sufficiently addressed the problems of today, MWU.com is labeled as the vanguard of righteous reform. Their good points are drowned out when they deal in character assassinations and porn peddling or immature stunts and racial slurs.

The problem in the umma is not texts by scholars on the four imams (ra), particulary since so few Muslims are reading traditionally based texts.

The problem is in our condition and how we have deviated from God's plan and MWU.com, I believe, is a good example of that. I am defintely going to research the subject of Shibli Numani book and post my findings.

I suggest that you read an article by Nazim Baksh in Q-News Magazine in this months issue by downloading the pdf article at www.q-news.com. He tackles the issue of Prgressive Muslims with intelligence and fairness. Thank you for your comments.

12:41 AM  
Blogger Hmmm said...

Mohammad: the rulings of the traditional schools are not static. No school believes that it's fiqh is eternal and immutable - it cannot be denied that an understanding of the Shariah is subject to change and adaptation in the light of changing events - hence ijtihad in the mu'amalat (civil matters) and within the madhabs is still open. This also means that the Shafi school is not the school that follows all of the rulings laid down by Imam Shafi straight out in, say, his Umm - it refers to the group of scholars who took his framework of jurisprudence and adopted it to try and discern the Shariah. Indeed, later mujtahids such as Imam Nawawi are relied upon for major issues in that particular school. To follow the rulings of individuals from 1400 years ago with no flexibility would be silly.

9:56 AM  

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